12:12:33 From Jenifer Allsworth : Question for FSEC - Was UMSLs plan discussed as a possibility for UMKC? 12:13:21 From Lorie Holt : Same for the dental school. 12:13:24 From dilkss@umkc.edu : Yes. 12:14:36 From genefriedman : Several faculty members have discuss the possibility of starting at original start date, cancel Thanksgiving Break and end the semester early. Is this a possibility? 12:16:30 From Jacob Marszalek : One disadvantage of continuing after Thanksgiving is the possibility that we would have to refund students money if we had to go online. 12:16:46 From Lorie Holt : The dental school has already altered their start date and has always operated on a different academic timeline than the rest of the university. We are planning for taking our didactic courses online if we need to this fall, however we are working very hard to finish up clinic requirements for our senior students and catching up with other student requirements. This modification will not work for the SOD. 12:17:09 From dilkss@umkc.edu : I support the idea of a semester that finishes in terms of f2f at Thanksgiving. 12:17:35 From Jen Salvo : Concerns from the UMKC Libraries regarding the fall semester schedule: Implementation of the new Gen Ed program for this fall is still underway, and the Libraries are scrambling to finalize their involvement; they have had to wait for teaching instructors to finalize plans before the Libraries could finalize their plans, and the Libraries have had to react to plan changes already. Losing two weeks of time is problematic. The Libraries feedback on the Fall 2020 Schedule Brainstorming document that says we can work with any timeline is a misrepresentation from the feedback that was actually given, which was that it would be a challenge, but we might be able to manage it. Our unit's leadership did not have time to gather information from all facets of the Libraries operation in order to fully assess the impact of this change on our unit. 12:18:03 From petermorello : There are only two weeks after T-Day. The UMSL plan would give us the most latitude 12:18:37 From Michelle Maher : The school of ed has not had time to fully consider this (or really, even minimally consider this). 12:18:45 From Scott Curtis : Other schools are arranging their fall terms so that students do not return after Tgiving break. Some schools are declaring that they will have online classes after Tgiving, and then have Finals be given online. 12:19:26 From petermorello : Having schools declare is a good idea 12:20:34 From Sookhee (Sukie) Oh : I support the UMSL Plan. Starting at regular time and fully online after Thanksgiving seems to solve many problems. 12:21:14 From Michelle Maher : I agree - I support the UMSL plan. - regular time start and fully online after thanksgiving 12:23:08 From Jacob Marszalek : Somebody should make a motion if they want the UMSL plan 12:23:28 From James Wooten : GREAT COMMENTS JENIFER!!!!!! 12:23:48 From Erik Olsen : Why are we facing this emergency deadline to decide this now? 12:23:49 From Jenifer Allsworth : I would like to make a motion to discuss and consider adopting the UMSL plan 12:24:04 From Anthony Shiu : I second Jenifer’s motion. 12:24:19 From Jacob Marszalek : Need to tell Steve about the motion 12:24:20 From Erin Blocher : Why did the administration land upon this as the best idea for UMKC? Any insights into their thinking? 12:25:35 From dilkss@umkc.edu : It developed out of the Provost’s office 12:26:36 From dilkss@umkc.edu : In response to changes being made elsewhere 12:26:39 From Deb Chatterjee : What I do not understand is why go online after Thanksgiving when there is hardly 2 weeks left? Why not go online right now as we have had to do quite a bit of online stuff in Spring 2020? Just some thoughts. 12:27:07 From Jacob Marszalek : Gong fully online now might affect enrollment. 12:27:16 From Erik Olsen : The alternative plans are all labeled as "tentative". Have they been adopted? 12:28:07 From Sookhee (Sukie) Oh : I agree with Jacob. Student feedback indicates that they prefer in-person classes. 12:28:31 From petermorello : I have spoken to my class and few other students, Most don’t want to start early 12:29:08 From Jacob Marszalek : I wonder how much starting that early would affect enrollment? 12:29:08 From Deb Chatterjee : For international students in School of Computing and Engineering (SCE) online instruction and class would be very beneficial for our enrollment at SCE. It's quite the opposite. Social distancing, as Anthony points out, is a problem. 12:31:11 From petermorello : It’s hard to know if we would need to close after T-Day. We cannot schedule around this virus. I do agree with Bill about testing. If we pass an UMSL plan, then we can ask for testing 12:31:40 From Anthony Shiu : Testing needs to be part of any plan to return to campus. 12:32:21 From David VanHorn : COncerns that I expressed to the CHair: 12:33:53 From Erin Blocher : Great! Thanks Tom! 12:34:19 From Jenny Lundgren To Tom Mardikes(privately) : I'm here 12:34:36 From Anthony Shiu : The current Roos Return guidelines place the onus of workplace safety on self-regulation. We have no idea if PPE will be provided to faculty or students. 12:34:37 From Yotam Haber : I second that last idea 12:34:38 From Erin Blocher : Testing is just a snapshot in time : ( 12:34:40 From David VanHorn : THese points are significant: UMKC in KC is different than a 'remote' residential campus (MU); we actually have an advantage. There is already a significant online plan for teaching in the Fall. 12:35:07 From petermorello : Those students who are finally working full time jobs now 12:35:52 From Amanda Grimes : A lot of concerns about students work situations, needing to make money, etc. since they were likely out of work for some time during COVID 12:36:13 From David VanHorn : Main concerns from SBCS: faculty getting ready for Fall; child care vs. area school schedule. 12:37:26 From David VanHorn : Another dilemma: the Roos Return plan may conflict; in fact, we are 4 days late on Phase 1. 12:37:52 From Tom Mardikes To Jenny Lundgren(privately) : don’t see you! ? 12:38:05 From Jenny Lundgren To Tom Mardikes(privately) : But I'm here :-) 12:45:13 From Timothy Lynch : What percentage of our students come from outside the greater metro area? Or beyond a couple of hours from KC? Do we have an idea of how many students would be leaving the area at Thanksgiving and therefore potentially importing the virus to campus? 12:46:57 From Jamila Jefferson-Jones : Even if we knew that, we won't know who they are hosting/importing in for the Thanksgiving holiday. 12:47:25 From Erin Blocher : I think an increase in gatherings over thanksgiving, even without travel, will be a risk factor. 12:47:59 From Anthony Shiu : Likewise with the current Roos Return planning, which doesn’t deal with asymptomatic transmission. 12:49:32 From dilkss@umkc.edu To Tom Mardikes(privately) : Should we ask non-senators to leave before we hold a vote, if we hold a vote? 12:50:10 From Tom Mardikes To dilkss@umkc.edu(privately) : no need, really. it doesn’t matter 12:50:39 From petermorello : I do think there ought to be some kind of program for testing. 12:52:12 From Tom Mardikes To James Wooten(privately) : was that a bottle of Scotch you were drinking? :-) 12:52:21 From Jen Salvo : Public schools take a week off 12:52:29 From Timothy Lynch : There is so much uncertainty. Certainly there will be costs associated with starting early, but there is also no doubt that transversing through a Thanksgiving break will increase the risk of spread of the virus. We at the Law School are prepared to support the UMKC proposal -- and we'll adapt as best we can. 12:54:10 From petermorello : ok 12:54:21 From petermorello To Tom Mardikes(privately) : ok 12:54:54 From dilkss@umkc.edu To Tom Mardikes(privately) : Peter is asking if we can vote in executive session. I said it is entirely YOUR call!!! 12:55:09 From Scott Curtis : Unfortunately, I have a UMKC Forward Subcommittee meeting at 1:00 and will have to leave momentarily. 12:55:38 From dilkss@umkc.edu To Tom Mardikes(privately) : People will start leaving at 1 12:55:54 From Sookhee (Sukie) Oh : I am in the same situation as Scott. We serve on the same subcommittee. 12:56:46 From petermorello : can we know what you would like. scott, sookhee? 12:56:48 From Jenifer Allsworth : $1.5M will pay for 1.17 tests per student with estimated student body of 16,000 12:57:09 From Jamila Jefferson-Jones : Are we not using the hand raise function? 12:58:20 From Mark Patterson : Just a friendly reminder: the "exception petitions" may be logistically difficult. as you consider your vote. 12:59:01 From Jenny Lundgren To Tom Mardikes(privately) : I have to jump on another call 12:59:36 From Jenny Lundgren To Tom Mardikes(privately) : Do you still need me on the call? 13:01:05 From David VanHorn : The Provost mentioned the "cost" of changing contracts for a UMSL plan. I am sure that is less than 1.5 M $. 13:01:23 From Jenifer Allsworth : Tom can you clear the votes? 13:02:01 From Sookhee (Sukie) Oh : sorry that I have to leave for another meeting. I support the UMSL. 13:02:23 From Erik Olsen : As long as we initially had quorum, even if people leave, we can continue with business unless someone calls for quorum. 13:04:57 From Erin Blocher : There is value in certainty at this point. It would be wise to let students and faculty know how to plan their lives and syllabi... rather than saying wait and see. 13:07:51 From Viviana : Tom: was that a motion? 13:08:19 From Tom Mardikes To Viviana(privately) : just stating what people have been saying, but maybe? 13:08:49 From Erik Olsen : Have the plans been adopted by the other campuses? They are all listed as "tentative". 13:10:03 From Tom Mardikes : my understanding is nothing will be adopted until approved by the Curators. So these are all proposals, but i understand the faculty/admin at the other schools have finalized their proposals 13:11:08 From David VanHorn : I think if UMKC adopted an "UMSL" plan, they would plan to close the dorms and food service Prospectively; I strongly doubt that they could have an "if needed" flexibility ... 13:11:44 From David VanHorn : That is, close before Thanksgiving... 13:11:47 From Erin Blocher : Well said Jen 13:12:03 From Jamie Hunt : I agree with Jen 13:12:49 From Jenifer Allsworth : MOTION: can we add if needed to UMSL language? 13:13:22 From Mark Patterson : i would SECOND Jenifer's motion to add 'as needed' to UMSL. 13:13:39 From Tom Mardikes : i think we need motions and seconds on the Zoom video feed, not in chat 13:13:46 From Mark Patterson : ok 13:14:06 From Jacob Marszalek : UMKC had to pay back millions in room and board this past semester. They are trying to avoid that scenario in the fall. 13:14:17 From Deb Chatterjee : I agree with Pete. The point is well taken. 13:14:37 From Erin Blocher : I will vote against the UMSL plan if "as needed" is added. 13:15:58 From Jamila Jefferson-Jones : I agree with Erin. 13:16:23 From Deb Chatterjee : I am opposed to UMSL plan in light of the persistent threat from COVID. What if we have to close again by end of September or beginning in October? What then? Jen also indicated the same. 13:16:39 From Tom Mardikes To Jenifer Allsworth(privately) : so Was that an amendment to the motion? 13:17:04 From petermorello : Erin, why? 13:17:18 From Jenifer Allsworth To Tom Mardikes(privately) : Yes. The motion was to add 'as needed' 13:18:59 From Tom Mardikes To Jenifer Allsworth(privately) : i thought I put that in the motion? So this isn’t something to add, right? 13:20:16 From Jacob Marszalek : I don't think we're not being asked to make the call, just whether we support the proposal. Shared governance. 13:20:37 From Jenifer Allsworth To Tom Mardikes(privately) : Correct. I am not sure if my request for advisory language needs to be a motion 13:24:27 From Deb Chatterjee : Does keeping the status quo means that students will come to campus physically in Fall and all classes till Thanksgiving be held in person? 13:27:40 From David VanHorn : I would be in favor of either option. just "UMSL", or with the "if needed..." 13:28:15 From petermorello : i think we are expected to have some kind of plan. One can find fault with anything. UMSL’s proposal gives us the most flexibility 13:29:18 From Amanda Grimes : I do think having a date/plan will be better received by students. This seems to perpetuate the "unknown" 13:29:33 From Viviana To Tom Mardikes(privately) : You need to read the entire motion 13:29:57 From Anthony Shiu : There really isn’t any guarantee for any date/plan. Fall 2020 is completely “unknown.” 13:31:50 From Jacob Marszalek : Do we have to start early? Could we double up on classes or require more work outside of class? 13:32:03 From Jamie Hunt : but they always have that option so we are not really voting on anything here 13:32:59 From Deb Chatterjee : I would like to keep the option of having online depending on the unit for classes less than 50 students. 13:34:36 From Jen Salvo : I agree with Jamie 13:35:06 From Amanda Grimes : How is this different than last semesters plan 13:36:26 From Jenifer Allsworth : University should renegotiate the contracts to minimize losses is campus is closed 13:37:03 From Amanda Grimes : Also, some classrooms only fit 20, and they could be packed in there. So a rule of 50 isn't necessarily helpful